TAK! For det smukkeste og vigtigste klip i denne sæson! <3 Man ved bare at det er godt, når man begynder at græde – uden rørende violinmusik, bare snak.
Jeg tror ikke jeg har opplevd at et klipp har fått meg til å føle så mange ting på en gang som det dette gjorde. Gråt og lo om hverandre. Dette var fantastisk. Isak og Sana, best buds <3
Åh! Her er enda et av disse dialogbaserteklippene som er så ufattelig fullspekket av livsvisdom, klokskap, moral, etikk, nyansert tenkning – og som indirekte sier så mye om hvordan mennesker kan leve sammen og kommunisere sammen på en best mulig måte! Og som understreker viktigheten av å prøve å forstå andre mennesker. Det er disse klippene som gjør SKAM til verdens beste serie! <3
Isak har INGEN peiling på hvordan det er å være kvinne i verden; DET er undertrykkende. ALL religion og ALLE kulturer i verden er kvinneundertrykkende.
Du vet vel at Isaks rollefigur er skrevet av Julie Andem, så det du sier er at Julie Andem ikke aner hvordan det er å være kvinne i verden? Og å møte hat med hat er det dummeste man kan gjøre. Det beste er å prøve å forstå hvorfor folk hater, og prøve å snu det til vennskap.
Bare fordi Julie Andem er kvinne, så er ikke Isak henne som karakter? Isak er en KARAKTER laget av Julie, han deler ikke Julie sitt liv… Så nei julie kan forstå men ikke isak. Ferdig
Femme
Isak har INGEN peiling på hvordan det er å være kvinne i verden; DET er undertrykkende. ALL religion og ALLE kulturer i verden er kvinneundertrykkende.Isak er kvinnehater som vanlig. SANA gjorde INGENTING galt! Eva er en idiotisk dust om hun synes folk ikke fortjener konsekvenser for å utfryse andre og plotte bak ryggen på dem. You get what you give.
Sana gjorde ingenting galt? Selvfølgelig gjorde hun det. Hun stjal chattene til Isak og la de ut på insta. Vet du hvor alvorlig det er? Det hun gjorde var KJEMPEGALT! jeeez?
You get what you give. Hvis man unnlater å kommunisere, hvis man bare viser verden det harde blikket og krigssminken, hvis man bare antar det verste uten å sjekke fakta, slik Sana så langt har gjort, så får det også konsekvenser. Et øye for et øye er en feilslått løsning. Kommunikasjon sprenger grenser, åpenhet sprenger grenser, solidaritet og samhold sprenger grenser og Sana trengte den samtalen nå. Jeg ser ikke kvinnehat i Isak der. Jeg ser uvitenhet og usikkerhet, det er jo nettopp det han prøver å formidle. Han er ikke belærende, han forteller hvordan han oppfatter situasjonen fra sitt hvite ståsted. Det er i møte med andre man får justert sitt eget verdensbilde. Det er bra at de justerer hverandre.
I feel like the whole ‘you have to educate people’ lesson would have held a lot more weight had it come from Jamilla, Sana’s parents or even Elias. Maybe even a scene with her Imam would have been great. I dunno, again I understand the sentiment but I’m not all about the execution of it.
Agreed. I was cringing when Isak started getting mad and educating Sana about how norwegians are not racists?? What would he know about that? It’s like Sana telling Isak or Even no no boys, homophobia does not exist, it’s all in your head :))
Also, I hope we learn more about the fight, I can’t imagine Isak just punching Mikael for nothing?? Even and Isak live together, they have a stable relationship, what does he have to be jealous about? Isak isn’t a violent guy. Also so strange that Sana has not once discussed this with her brother? Wouldn’t Elias have told her «I’m sorry I punched your friend but I only did it because he punched Mikael.» ? Weird..
I don’t agree. I think it’s important that it comes from a white (read: person from a different culture) person. Isak, being gay, probably also knows a fair bit about stereotypes and ignorant questions, although probably more sex related. Only a white (as above) person can explain that it can be hard talking to a muslim as you worry about being inconsiderate and accidentally disrespectful.
the thing that bothers me about this clip is that it sounded as though isak was the one educating sana on this matter, when it really should’ve been the other way around. because sana is the one who knows here. she’s the one who experiences the racism and the islamophobia, not him. it was great for them to have this conversation, but we should’ve seen isak listen to sana, and be corrected by her, and not the opposite
I think we will have a conversation like that later on, maybe between Sana and Vilde? However, Isak had just taken the blame for @saranors2 so Sana probably felt a bit guilty, normally I think she would have had more to say about the subject.
Isak vet like mye om det å føle seg annerledes. Helt uenig med deg. I sesong 3 kom Sana med gode råd til Isak angående homofili. Denne gangen kunne Isak hjelpe Sana. Synes dette var kjempefint
Det er forskjellige former for undertrykkelser, Isak forstår nødvendigvis ikke Sana selvom de begge er minoriteter.
Hepp
Men det är skillnad. En gay kille blir ju älskad av alla, särskilt av tjejer. Alla vill ha en gay killkompis att shoppa med typ. Och tycker det är SÅ hett med två killar som kliner.
@Hepp
«Av alle»???? Tror det er mange som er uenig med deg i det, og opplever noe helt annet.
Wtf???
Vad lever du i för amerikansk HIGH school film från 2000-talet? Vilken jäkla homofobisk kommentar! Och det är ingen skillnad på att älska Noora och Williams förhållande och Isak och Evens. Såklart man vill se paren vara kära och vara ett par. En av de störta kommentarerna om skam från äldre är just «kommer ni ihåg allt hångel under gymnasiet, jag bara älskar nostalgin» när de pratar om allt hångel i skolan under säsong 1 och 2. Att göra skillnad på alla 3 paren är homofobiskt. Och det verkar som vissa uppfattar att det är pga kyssarna som folk älskar Isak och Even? Gå tillbaka till säsong 3 och läs kommentarerna och allt vi alla upplevde med de två killarna.
Jente-Gutt
Du har så rätt!Tyvärr!
Och får väl lägga till att om det varit en tjej som sagt exakt samma ord till Sana som Isak
hade det nog blivit annan debatt…
Isak är gud och får säga vilka dumheter som helst.Tjejer har inte den » friheten» vare sig de är muslimer,homo/lesbiska eller inte.
Men Isak kan nog bättra sig från den här oneliners/filosofilektionen!
no
isak telling sana that she «NEEDS» to answer every racist question as if poc owe anyone an explanation is so fucking tiring, educating yourselves (+ having some respect in general???) is a personal responsibility and demanding poc to do the work for you is the literally the epitome of systemic racism & not to mention physically and emotionally taxing it is for poc who have to repeat ourselves over and over again bc whites stay ignorant.
why do you make it about race, when it’s actually about religion? and statistics? She is muslim in a country that is overwhelmingly Christian. This is Norway, not the US. Norway is a much more homogenous society than the US. 77 percent of Norwegians were Lutherans as late as 2012 (source: SSB). Google it. Add Catholics and other Christian societies to that number, and I’m pretty sure the number will be well over 80%. He’s just saying that statistically most people (literally MOST people) in this country are a different religion, and will be lacking in knowledge when it comes to your religion. It would be wise of you to educate them, so they don’t go looking for knowledge from less reliable sources. How is that racist?
De fleste i Norge er vel ikke kristne en gang. Mange er ateister og agnostikere, og vil stille spørsmål til kriste og muslimer om hvorfor de tror som de tror. Akkurat som Isak i sesong 3.
Jeg er selv oppvokst i et kristen hjem, men i dag anser jeg meg selv som agnostiker og jeg er så glad jeg er kvitt en spesifikk religion. Jeg føler meg fri!
Maja
Dette har med kulturell tilhørighet, ikke personlig tro. Du forstår de kulturelle kodene fra din egen bakgrunn, selv om du ikke har en personlig tro.
Men maja...
Menar du på allvar att ingen diskrimineras utifrån etnicitet i Norge? Folk vet att Sana är muslim för att hon bär hijab men tror du på allvar att hon inte skulle diskrimineras alls om hon tog av sig hijaben eller till och med slutade vara muslim?
Oh, come on
So it’s OK to say that «whites stay ignorant» while the majority of a population cannot ask the minority questions? Great politics, dude. People want to learn. If you go to a foreign country you cannot expect the population there to cater to your individual needs and demands.
I don’t think Sana is referring to racism at all, actually. Everything she says has to do with prejudice because of her religion, not because of her skin color.
You honestly think Sana would not be subjected to any discrimination if she ceased to be Muslim?
Beste klipp
Tenker dette er et nøkkelklipp for hele sesongen, og mitt favorittklipp så langt.
ELSKER DET. Det begge sier her er så viktig. De har begge rett. Ok Isak har kanskje bitte litt mer rett. De dumme spørsmålene er viktig!! Vi må nærme oss hverandre!
Når det er sagt, burde de fortsatt sagt mer om slagsmålet. Hva kan ha skjedd mellom Even og Mikael som gjorde Isak så sjalu at han slo?? Isak, liksom??
Jeg tror egentlig at Even har fortalt veldig lite om Mikael…og så hadde Isak kanskje drukket noen øl og plutselig tok usikkerheten og sjalusien overhånd…? I don’t know. Husk at Even sa til Isak at han aldri hadde følt det sånn før…så ja Even elsker Isak og motsatt, men jeg håper vi vil høre gutta si de ordene før Skam er over… Pliiize Julie??
Utrolig bra klipp! Virkelig ALLE burde se Skam! Såå stor respekt for Isak og Sana, og de reflekterte og modne samtalene de har sammen. I forje sesong var det Sana som brøt ned fordommer mot religion hos Isak og utfordret tankegangen hans. «Hvis du hører noen bruke religion for å argumentere for hatet sitt så ikke hør på dem. For hat kommer ikke fra religion, det kommer fra frykt». Denne gangen er det omvendt, Isak får Sana til å innse at hvis hun ikke svarer på såkalte «dumme spørsmål» fra andre som ikke kjenner religionen hennes, så finner de på egne svar og dermed skapes fordommer, basert på manglende kunnskap. Og det er farlig. Skam er ikke bare en serie som tematiserer og belyser ungdomsproblematikk, men inneholder samtaler som virkelig gir svaret på hvorfor det finnes så mye konflikt i verden. Tror alle som ser denne serien begynner å tenke over fordommer de har i forhold til andre, og innser hvor lite man faktisk vet om dem/det de har fordommer mot.
I think it was so nice and understanding of Isak to take the blame for Sana, he is such a good friend to her. What was also interesting about this clip was the civil and intelligent conversation Sana and Isak had about racism. It was really insightful to see two people who have different points of view on the situation still be ‘best buds.’ As Isak said ‘Who would have thought, the gay guy and the Muslim, best friends?’ Thanks for showing their friendship so beautifully and how it is possible for two very different people to love and respect each other as Sana and Isak do!
Ehm wtf är det här? Isak pratar över Sanas känslor? Isak slår Mikael för att han är svartsjuk? Varför vill ni döda isaks karaktär?? Ja han är inte «woke» men att han så tydligt och klart talar över Sana och hennes känslor och det låter typ som att han säger «det jag säger är den enda sanningen» och att han lär henne wtf jag blev faktiskt ledsen nu. Och ja han kanske är svartsjuk över Mikael men inte trovärdigt att han skulle slå honom så fort han såg honom, icke trovärdigt, ja det var uppenbart att det inte var pga homofobi och att det bara var vilseledande, men svartsjuka? Eh miss me with that shit.
Sara er fortsatt en bitch som var utrolig kjip mot Sana
Håper at Sana innrømmer at det var henne og forklarer hvorfor hun gjorde det på en offentlig måte, f.eks. gruppechat. Det å snakke dritt er en ting, det å gå bak ryggen og planlegge å kaste ut den ene personen som hjalp deg skaffe buss og var villig til å se bort fra det som har skjedd før er en annen ting, det er alvor. Olafiaklinikken skal ihverfall støtte henne og melde seg ut av bussen, muligens også noen Pepsimax jenter som synes der er utafor.
tycker det var dumt sagt av isak. Och att sana inte sa nått tillbaka var väldigt out of character. De kunde gjort något med Jamillas karaktär istället för isak
Synes ikke det var så veldig out of character. Tror Sana har mistet en stor del av selvsikkerheten sin denne sesongen med alle de greiene som har skjedd
Jeg fatter ikke at det er muuulig og i løpet av 13 korte min å ta opp så mye viktig og tankevekkende og få endel forutinntatthet/ fordommer slengt i trynet og ja…to ungdommer sitter bare og prater lissom!! Jeg tenker og at Isak nok lærte litt i ses 1 da han «føkka» med Eva og Jonas og ting kom ut av kontroll. Kjære Julie, jeg tror jeg må be deg om å lage en selvhjelpsguide for oss som kommer til å få skikkelig abstinenser og kjærlighetssorg når SKAM er ferdig! You’re f….brilliant!?
Var det hele grunden for slåskampen? Okay, underligt at trække det sådan ud. Må vi snart høre fra EVEN? Hans fortid bruges bare som en plot point, han får aldrig lov at snakke selv, og det gør ondt på os der ser os selv i Even.
Men Even er jo heller ikke del av Sanas univers, på samme måte som Isak. Da blir det naturlig at vi får innsyn i Evens liv gjennom de Sana snakker med (Yousef, Isak etc)
Herregud for et nydelig klipp! Og så fantastisk Isak er. Som tar skylden for Sana, og den samtalen deres er gull. Ble helt øm om hjertet nå, dette var så herlig. Sanas syn på nordmenn, trist å høre men enda tristere at ting som hun beskriver faktisk skjer, og Isak som sier hvordan det er. Sterkt. Og ja, jammen fikk vi (jeg også) en smekk, som trodde eller antydet at Elias og gjengen fløy på Isak pga homofobi, at alt var Isaks egen feil mtp fighten. Isak nevnte det jo og selv, han har selv gjort dumme ting. Og Sana var vel i ferd med å innrømme skyld, før Isak kom.
Vilde fortjener forresten seff ikke den driten hun nå fikk, med den fake instakontoen. Håper Magnus driter i å lage drama av det. Hvem lagde den forresten?
Vet ikke hva som skjer, men har mistet mer og mer interessen for denne sesongen… Jeg var ganske engasjert til Noora og Yousef kyssa, og pausen kom. Det har blitt for kjedelig, det samme skjedde under sesong 3. Der hoppet jeg helt av halveis i serien. Sesong 2 var jeg helt hekta, derfor er det så trist at Noorhelm ser ut til å ende så tragisk. Har mistet helt troen på en positiv overraskelse der. Isak og Even får masse fokus denne sesongen også. Savner Noorhelm, PT gjengen, Eskild og faktisk Linn også. Mer humor og fest som vi hadde de 2 første sesongene, 3 og 4 blir for «mørkt»
Julie I want to know if you’re trying to make the audience realize how awful and ignorant Isak sounds or if you really believe in the nonsense that was his speech? Really amazed at how awful this scene was. Go ahead and invalidate all the racism Sana has faced by saying it’s bullshit and Norwegians are peaceful people. HAHA. Yeah those texts that Sana got at Urra were really peaceful.
I agree with you Sally and also with others above that have pointed out the ways in which Isak comes off as very ignorant in this clip. Above someone wrote that this conversation should’ve been flipped so that Isak listened to Sana explaining what racism is, learning from her how it affects her and what bullying she has been subjected to from Pepsi Max (and also at Urra, if she’d been ready to bring that up to him). I agree that this would have worked much better, if the goal of the clip is to be the first important step of Sana opening up and pulling other people towards her.
Instead we got this: Sana trying to explain how her everyday life in Norway is, and Isak brushing it off, telling her that she is looking for the hate and that’s why she’s finding it. The way the scene is executed, makes Isak come off as the wise man who gives Sana valuable advise on how to live her life, while he at the same time diminishes her experiences of racism and bullying. This made me very worried and it also feels insincere and false to me, since I feel that there’s much much more to what Sana says in this scene, than to what Isak says.
My own questions back to Isak are: What happens when the dumb questions of other people are so insulting, so tiresome, that Sana feels worthless and like she doesn’t belong in Norway/Oslo/on the Russebus/with her friends? What happens when those questions just keep coming and coming? What is she supposed to do with those feelings? Or when it’s not questions at all, like the actual things Sana brought up -> people spitting after her and Elias (how terrible and violent isn’t that?), her being thrown of the bus etc. Isak doesn’t even ask her further what happened, when she says that Sara wanted her of the bus. Generally, he has treated all the «girl drama» like it’s beneath him the whole season. It’s not just that he doesn’t want to get involved in the dirty talk and the details (very understandable of course), but he also seem to regard the girls as silly, shallow and like their conflicts doesn’t matter. Like it doesn’t matter that Pepsi Max wanted to get rid of Sana or why. Like it’s not even worth it to try to understand what kind of situation Sana was in there, and what Pepsi Max did to her.
I ache for Sana, and I don’t feel that these two characters actually had a believable meeting or connection in this clip. Sana doesn’t get the chance to explain to Isak in any depth at all what people do to her (strangers and friends), what has happened in her past, how vulnerable she feels. But still, despite her saying so little, Isak «knows better» than her what kind of world she is walking through everyday and how she should deal with it to make it better. Sana’s character has so much history of experiencing bullying and racism. Throughout the season, the creators of the show have shown us the depth of this experience through many, many scenes, because we’ve seen all different kinds of characters with all different kinds of relationships with Sana participating in making her feel alien, under press and like she has to prove herself, or inflict outright violence onto her (I f.e. consider the bullying from Pepsimax to be a violence). So I want to critize the script here for not following up on that depth, but instead dealing with racism and bullying in a much, much more shallow way in this scene. My criticism here goes against the script, not the actors, I also want to point that out.
Also note, my critisism is NOT that Isak and Sana could never have a connecting moment in a situation like this, or that isak could never understand what Sana feels, or that Isak shouldn’t feel hurt or angry that Sana posted clips of his chat log without consent.
My critisism is that Isak is portrayed by the show as carrier of wisdom, when he in fact does a quite shitty thing:
– not letting his friend explain in depth the bullying and racism she’s been through
– not asking her about her experience when she tries to talk to him about it
– instead saying to her that most of these things are happening in her head, and even when it’s not, she has to focus on being strong, educating people that she’s a person and deserves respect, and absolutely not call Norwegians racist because most of them aren’t.
This scene makes me wonder if the creators of this show is afraid to go into real dark grounds with there characters, and follow through with the complex themes they are dealing with in this season? If we should take Sana’s experience’s seriously (and hell yes we shall!), then this has to go much deeper and there’s no room for brushing off actual racism and bullying as «Sana looking for hate and therefor finding it».
I do believe Sana is very scarred of the mikroagressions, the overt and subtle racism, and the hate that she has felt towards her. i do believe she’s shutting people out, sometimes treating them bad or violent herself. I think she’s complex, and sometimes «bossy», «bitchy», «hard» etc etc etc and it’s ok to show those sides of her, where they come from, how they clash with other people and how she can hurt others because she is hurt herself. I think Skam has been really good at showing why she has to open up and pull people closer, not push them away, while at the same time showing why she has a hard time doing this. But it’s unfair of Skam to diminish all the pain and the violence she’s experienced, by saying to her (through the mouth of Isak) that she should stop calling racism for what it is.
Also, I wonder if the Skam-crew feel unable to make the white characters deal with racism in a more constructive way on the show? We are at a point in the story that has so much potential, but now the creators seems to let the white characters of the hook.
My wish for this clip, is that it would’ve been either:
1. Connecting, bonding moment between Isak and Sana, but with flipped dynamic so that Isak listen to Sana and learn from her, instead of the other way around.
or
2. Isak saying everything he says about Norwegians not being racist etc etc, but him not coming off as the hero because of it, but instead showing how destructive it is when white people try to tell people of colour that racism is not as bad as they believe it is.
I hope the story takes another turn from here. I hope this is not a sign of how the interactions between Sana and her friends will develop from this point.
YES. Totally agree. Hope the audience as a whole takes note.
Hi Sass
Maybe something got lost in translation here, or maybe I just disagree, but let me try to fill in. At first Isak seems to belive Sara kick Sana off the russebuss because she’s bichy, even if Sana said that Sara is a racist bitch, and then Sana explains all the shit she gets during any normal day. He can to some point understand the experience of discrimination, as he’s heard lots of homophobic stuff.
Sana experience racism and discrimination every day, especially because of her using hijab and people on the streets spitting behind Elias because they belive he suppresses her. Isak never denied that it happens. He’s speachless when she tells all the bs and hate she gets. But he’s not the racist here. He’s not responsible for white trash people’s hate, kind of like Sana or muslims in general are not responsible for Islamic terror. Isak doesn’t stop her or protests, but when she said «most Norwegians are racists» he disagree. And I think he’s right. Most Norwegians ain’t racists. We know that from statistics. I don’t even belive most people in general are racists, but I might be wrong. And this is when Isak starts. Myself I want to learn more about muslims in Norway, about hijab, all the praying, ramadan and more and I truly believe muslims needs to educate us (I’m too old for school). 15 years ago baptists had to educate curious people bout their beliefs, because most people was humanists or lutheran. LGTB educated us with Pride, abstainers gets questions in every party of why they don’t drink alcohol (beliefs? former addict?). I don’t even know if I can handshake a Muslim woman wearing a hijab. Not because I’m racist, but because I don’t understand all the different directions within Islam and in some cultures I’m not supposed to handshake.
So if you’re Muslim or of another entice and someone ask you a silly question that you’ve heard 1000 times before, please try to explain and don’t jump to conclusions. It might just be me wanting to learn more about my fellow Norwegians. And if it’s someone else asking, please don’t just brush him off. He might come to belive you’re ignorant with bad behaviour even if that wasn’t when he approached you. Love is everything
why
why do i have an obligation to educate ignorant people who throw racist remarks at me or behave as if i’m something «scary» or «oppressed»? this is not on me, this is on the guys who’re racist. educate yourself.
Um
You’re saying Muslims have to educate you because you’re too old for school. You have access to the internet, libraries, etc. After all, you did say you wanted to learn.
Gaelle
You put it more eloquently than I could ever have. <3 I was really disappointed that instead of getting a scene where Sana was finally opening up and someone actually listened to her, we got "BUT NOT ALL NORWEGIANS…!!!" and essentially victim-blaming Sana. I really really hope that the Skam team was not putting this forth as a good idea of how one can act when someone who experiences discrimination tells you about their experiences, and I hope that the show addresses this in the final 3 (!) episodes.
He’s not invalidating what has happened to Sana in the past. What he IS doing is countering Sana’s idea that everyone hates her and other muslims. If you think everyone hates you, you are making yourself a victim and close yourself off from the world. Some people are idiots, but most people aren’t. The text messages Sara got from the people at her former school were a few moronic individuals, not *everyone* at school or every Norwegian. Isak did no place indicate that racism or any other -ism doesn’t exist in Norway or elsewhere. Everyone all over the world are biased. What he did say was that most people have good intentions and that if you focus primarily on what you *think* someone else is, or think the opinions of one or a couple people equal the opinions of everyone else, you will get lost in a downward spiral. If you listen to something with one idea in your head, one belief that you know what the other person is thinking and feeling, you will confirm your fears. If you look you shall find, even if that something wasn’t really there in the first place. If you decide to understand what I say one way when my words and intent would say otherwise, you are not open to input. To paraphrase Isak, if you don’t let the other person answer, you will make up your own answer which may be completely off the mark.
To say «Norwegians are peaceful» doesn’t mean there doesn’t exist any idiots who wish to create havoc. If you think otherwise, then I presume you also find it OK to say all muslims are terrorists as some of them are? It’s the same thing. If you can’t say that, then you surely understand it’s not OK to say that all white people are racist either.
But it’s not fucking racism! Muslim people, Christian people, whatever religion, it’s not a race! Religion is not a race. Yes, it is possible to be discriminated because of your religion, but it is not, nor ever will, be racism.
– Vilde’s reputation is cleared
– Sana’s big exam is over
– Now they know Pepsimax-girls are idiots, so they need some lovely bonding time
– Sana needs to open up about her outsider feelings to the girls
– Noora and Sana need to talk about Yousef, NOW!!!
– Back to the basics: the old girld group partying together again
Jeg er SÅ glad for at Sana endelig fikk snakket ut og ordnet opp med Isak<3
Men..hun har fremdeles mange flere hun må ordne opp med…
Vilde for det som har skjedd med henne
Noora for det med Yousef
Yousef ( jeg heier på Yousana!!)
Resten av jentegjengen for å ha løyet til dem
Sara for å ha såret henne
Alle flawless-jentene
Elias for at hun fortsatt er sur på ham og fordi hun misforsto hva som hadde skjedd
Som lærer får jeg mange hatytringer om KRLE-faget. Jeg anser faget som et av de viktigste vi har. Kunnskap er viktig. Om vi forstår hverandre er det lettere å respektere hverandre. Veldig enig med Isak her; vi må få stille spørsmålene våre, så vi får svar, og ikke konstruerer våre egne svar. Heia Isak?
Uff. Nei, nei. Religionsfaget bør vekk fra skolen. En grunnleggende respekt for hverandre bør forventes uansett, og dialog promoteres i for eksempel samfunnsfag. Heller dobbelt opp med samfunnsfag.
Einig, har meint at KRLE (dåverande KRL) er det viktigaste faget heilt sidan eg sjølv gikk på ungddomskulen! Dessverre følte eg faget overprioritert med tørr fakta på barneskulen og underprioritert på drøfting på ungdomsskulen…
skal han virkelig gjøre hvite folk til ofrene? og lære sana – som har blitt utsatt for stygge kommentarer og grov mobbing mesteparten av livet, om rasisme og hvorfor det oppstår? smh Julie, jeg vet du klarer bedre enn dette
Enig med deg i at man bør undersøke litt på egenhånd. Samtidig så er det faktisk ikke alle som har noen i sin omgangskrets, da. Og det er grenser for, og tildels tilfeldig, hvor mange og hvilke temaer folk leser seg opp på her i verden. Så da burde man kunne spørre på en høflig måte, og håpe på et høflig svar tilbake som ikke tolker spørsmålet i verste mening..?
I liked this clip but I think that Isak still has a lot of learning to do. It felt like a white boy (albeit a gay one) was trying to speak over a Muslim girl who has to face discrimination every day and even though what he said is 100% right it felt like the non-muslim version of mansplaining. I have faith in Julie, so I really hope this is gonna lead to some sort of Sana 2.0 thing where Isak realizes that he’s said some stupid shit (or, at least, he has worded it very badly) and sorta apologizes just like Sana did last season after he’s speech on homosexuality. I know the whole point of skam is to hear problematic shit from a character’s mouth, realize you’re saying the same problematic shit irl and correct your behavior, but this time it felt really weird, as if Sana was accepting Isak’s «woke» lecture as if it was 100% correct while it clearly isn’t. Let’s hope for the best.
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Sana trengte dette så sykt! Og det gjorde faen meg jeg og!
Nydelig ?
TAK! For det smukkeste og vigtigste klip i denne sæson! <3 Man ved bare at det er godt, når man begynder at græde – uden rørende violinmusik, bare snak.
Så glad isak og sana er venner, men ønsker at den hvite gutten ikke forsøkte å utdanne muslimen
» Du r alene» noppe, Da var sqaden limt på igjen.
Er det lov å banke folk fordi du er sjalu?
Jeg tror ikke jeg har opplevd at et klipp har fått meg til å føle så mange ting på en gang som det dette gjorde. Gråt og lo om hverandre. Dette var fantastisk. Isak og Sana, best buds <3
Jeg håper isak utdanner seg selv fordi hans tale var helt feil
Sjalu på Mikael? Hva skjedde?
Åh! Her er enda et av disse dialogbaserteklippene som er så ufattelig fullspekket av livsvisdom, klokskap, moral, etikk, nyansert tenkning – og som indirekte sier så mye om hvordan mennesker kan leve sammen og kommunisere sammen på en best mulig måte! Og som understreker viktigheten av å prøve å forstå andre mennesker. Det er disse klippene som gjør SKAM til verdens beste serie! <3
Isak har INGEN peiling på hvordan det er å være kvinne i verden; DET er undertrykkende. ALL religion og ALLE kulturer i verden er kvinneundertrykkende.
Du vet vel at Isaks rollefigur er skrevet av Julie Andem, så det du sier er at Julie Andem ikke aner hvordan det er å være kvinne i verden? Og å møte hat med hat er det dummeste man kan gjøre. Det beste er å prøve å forstå hvorfor folk hater, og prøve å snu det til vennskap.
Bare fordi Julie Andem er kvinne, så er ikke Isak henne som karakter? Isak er en KARAKTER laget av Julie, han deler ikke Julie sitt liv… Så nei julie kan forstå men ikke isak. Ferdig
Isak har INGEN peiling på hvordan det er å være kvinne i verden; DET er undertrykkende. ALL religion og ALLE kulturer i verden er kvinneundertrykkende.Isak er kvinnehater som vanlig. SANA gjorde INGENTING galt! Eva er en idiotisk dust om hun synes folk ikke fortjener konsekvenser for å utfryse andre og plotte bak ryggen på dem. You get what you give.
Femme, nå er jeg nysgjerrig. Hvordan ser dette klippet ut for deg hvis du prøver å ta ting i beste mening, i stedet for verste?
Sana gjorde ingenting galt? Selvfølgelig gjorde hun det. Hun stjal chattene til Isak og la de ut på insta. Vet du hvor alvorlig det er? Det hun gjorde var KJEMPEGALT! jeeez?
You get what you give. Hvis man unnlater å kommunisere, hvis man bare viser verden det harde blikket og krigssminken, hvis man bare antar det verste uten å sjekke fakta, slik Sana så langt har gjort, så får det også konsekvenser. Et øye for et øye er en feilslått løsning. Kommunikasjon sprenger grenser, åpenhet sprenger grenser, solidaritet og samhold sprenger grenser og Sana trengte den samtalen nå. Jeg ser ikke kvinnehat i Isak der. Jeg ser uvitenhet og usikkerhet, det er jo nettopp det han prøver å formidle. Han er ikke belærende, han forteller hvordan han oppfatter situasjonen fra sitt hvite ståsted. Det er i møte med andre man får justert sitt eget verdensbilde. Det er bra at de justerer hverandre.
I feel like the whole ‘you have to educate people’ lesson would have held a lot more weight had it come from Jamilla, Sana’s parents or even Elias. Maybe even a scene with her Imam would have been great. I dunno, again I understand the sentiment but I’m not all about the execution of it.
Agreed. I was cringing when Isak started getting mad and educating Sana about how norwegians are not racists?? What would he know about that? It’s like Sana telling Isak or Even no no boys, homophobia does not exist, it’s all in your head :))
Also, I hope we learn more about the fight, I can’t imagine Isak just punching Mikael for nothing?? Even and Isak live together, they have a stable relationship, what does he have to be jealous about? Isak isn’t a violent guy. Also so strange that Sana has not once discussed this with her brother? Wouldn’t Elias have told her «I’m sorry I punched your friend but I only did it because he punched Mikael.» ? Weird..
I don’t agree. I think it’s important that it comes from a white (read: person from a different culture) person. Isak, being gay, probably also knows a fair bit about stereotypes and ignorant questions, although probably more sex related. Only a white (as above) person can explain that it can be hard talking to a muslim as you worry about being inconsiderate and accidentally disrespectful.
Enig
Sana is told this by her iman and without any sucsess. More effective to be told by an ignorant white christian norwegian and friend 🙂
SANA MÅ IKKE SVARE PÅ NOEN TING!!!
the thing that bothers me about this clip is that it sounded as though isak was the one educating sana on this matter, when it really should’ve been the other way around. because sana is the one who knows here. she’s the one who experiences the racism and the islamophobia, not him. it was great for them to have this conversation, but we should’ve seen isak listen to sana, and be corrected by her, and not the opposite
I think we will have a conversation like that later on, maybe between Sana and Vilde? However, Isak had just taken the blame for @saranors2 so Sana probably felt a bit guilty, normally I think she would have had more to say about the subject.
Isak vet like mye om det å føle seg annerledes. Helt uenig med deg. I sesong 3 kom Sana med gode råd til Isak angående homofili. Denne gangen kunne Isak hjelpe Sana. Synes dette var kjempefint
Det er forskjellige former for undertrykkelser, Isak forstår nødvendigvis ikke Sana selvom de begge er minoriteter.
Men det är skillnad. En gay kille blir ju älskad av alla, särskilt av tjejer. Alla vill ha en gay killkompis att shoppa med typ. Och tycker det är SÅ hett med två killar som kliner.
«Av alle»???? Tror det er mange som er uenig med deg i det, og opplever noe helt annet.
Vad lever du i för amerikansk HIGH school film från 2000-talet? Vilken jäkla homofobisk kommentar! Och det är ingen skillnad på att älska Noora och Williams förhållande och Isak och Evens. Såklart man vill se paren vara kära och vara ett par. En av de störta kommentarerna om skam från äldre är just «kommer ni ihåg allt hångel under gymnasiet, jag bara älskar nostalgin» när de pratar om allt hångel i skolan under säsong 1 och 2. Att göra skillnad på alla 3 paren är homofobiskt. Och det verkar som vissa uppfattar att det är pga kyssarna som folk älskar Isak och Even? Gå tillbaka till säsong 3 och läs kommentarerna och allt vi alla upplevde med de två killarna.
Du har så rätt!Tyvärr!
Och får väl lägga till att om det varit en tjej som sagt exakt samma ord till Sana som Isak
hade det nog blivit annan debatt…
Isak är gud och får säga vilka dumheter som helst.Tjejer har inte den » friheten» vare sig de är muslimer,homo/lesbiska eller inte.
Men Isak kan nog bättra sig från den här oneliners/filosofilektionen!
isak telling sana that she «NEEDS» to answer every racist question as if poc owe anyone an explanation is so fucking tiring, educating yourselves (+ having some respect in general???) is a personal responsibility and demanding poc to do the work for you is the literally the epitome of systemic racism & not to mention physically and emotionally taxing it is for poc who have to repeat ourselves over and over again bc whites stay ignorant.
why do you make it about race, when it’s actually about religion? and statistics? She is muslim in a country that is overwhelmingly Christian. This is Norway, not the US. Norway is a much more homogenous society than the US. 77 percent of Norwegians were Lutherans as late as 2012 (source: SSB). Google it. Add Catholics and other Christian societies to that number, and I’m pretty sure the number will be well over 80%. He’s just saying that statistically most people (literally MOST people) in this country are a different religion, and will be lacking in knowledge when it comes to your religion. It would be wise of you to educate them, so they don’t go looking for knowledge from less reliable sources. How is that racist?
De fleste i Norge er vel ikke kristne en gang. Mange er ateister og agnostikere, og vil stille spørsmål til kriste og muslimer om hvorfor de tror som de tror. Akkurat som Isak i sesong 3.
Jeg er selv oppvokst i et kristen hjem, men i dag anser jeg meg selv som agnostiker og jeg er så glad jeg er kvitt en spesifikk religion. Jeg føler meg fri!
Dette har med kulturell tilhørighet, ikke personlig tro. Du forstår de kulturelle kodene fra din egen bakgrunn, selv om du ikke har en personlig tro.
Menar du på allvar att ingen diskrimineras utifrån etnicitet i Norge? Folk vet att Sana är muslim för att hon bär hijab men tror du på allvar att hon inte skulle diskrimineras alls om hon tog av sig hijaben eller till och med slutade vara muslim?
So it’s OK to say that «whites stay ignorant» while the majority of a population cannot ask the minority questions? Great politics, dude. People want to learn. If you go to a foreign country you cannot expect the population there to cater to your individual needs and demands.
Sana is not in a foreign country.
I don’t think Sana is referring to racism at all, actually. Everything she says has to do with prejudice because of her religion, not because of her skin color.
You honestly think Sana would not be subjected to any discrimination if she ceased to be Muslim?
Tenker dette er et nøkkelklipp for hele sesongen, og mitt favorittklipp så langt.
ELSKER DET. Det begge sier her er så viktig. De har begge rett. Ok Isak har kanskje bitte litt mer rett. De dumme spørsmålene er viktig!! Vi må nærme oss hverandre!
Når det er sagt, burde de fortsatt sagt mer om slagsmålet. Hva kan ha skjedd mellom Even og Mikael som gjorde Isak så sjalu at han slo?? Isak, liksom??
Jeg tror egentlig at Even har fortalt veldig lite om Mikael…og så hadde Isak kanskje drukket noen øl og plutselig tok usikkerheten og sjalusien overhånd…? I don’t know. Husk at Even sa til Isak at han aldri hadde følt det sånn før…så ja Even elsker Isak og motsatt, men jeg håper vi vil høre gutta si de ordene før Skam er over… Pliiize Julie??
Enig! I alt. Og vil veldig gjerne høre de si det til hverandre ❤️
Ja de ordene vil jeg også gjerne høre de si til hverandre ❤️
That i was waiting for so long!
Finally and with the right person… buddy!
Good job Sana
Utrolig bra klipp! Virkelig ALLE burde se Skam! Såå stor respekt for Isak og Sana, og de reflekterte og modne samtalene de har sammen. I forje sesong var det Sana som brøt ned fordommer mot religion hos Isak og utfordret tankegangen hans. «Hvis du hører noen bruke religion for å argumentere for hatet sitt så ikke hør på dem. For hat kommer ikke fra religion, det kommer fra frykt». Denne gangen er det omvendt, Isak får Sana til å innse at hvis hun ikke svarer på såkalte «dumme spørsmål» fra andre som ikke kjenner religionen hennes, så finner de på egne svar og dermed skapes fordommer, basert på manglende kunnskap. Og det er farlig. Skam er ikke bare en serie som tematiserer og belyser ungdomsproblematikk, men inneholder samtaler som virkelig gir svaret på hvorfor det finnes så mye konflikt i verden. Tror alle som ser denne serien begynner å tenke over fordommer de har i forhold til andre, og innser hvor lite man faktisk vet om dem/det de har fordommer mot.
Bare takk ❤️
I think it was so nice and understanding of Isak to take the blame for Sana, he is such a good friend to her. What was also interesting about this clip was the civil and intelligent conversation Sana and Isak had about racism. It was really insightful to see two people who have different points of view on the situation still be ‘best buds.’ As Isak said ‘Who would have thought, the gay guy and the Muslim, best friends?’ Thanks for showing their friendship so beautifully and how it is possible for two very different people to love and respect each other as Sana and Isak do!
noen som har lagt merke til at mange av de viktige og «dype» samtalene foregår på en benk
«Du ljuger till en väninna och skyller på mig?»
Ehm wtf är det här? Isak pratar över Sanas känslor? Isak slår Mikael för att han är svartsjuk? Varför vill ni döda isaks karaktär?? Ja han är inte «woke» men att han så tydligt och klart talar över Sana och hennes känslor och det låter typ som att han säger «det jag säger är den enda sanningen» och att han lär henne wtf jag blev faktiskt ledsen nu. Och ja han kanske är svartsjuk över Mikael men inte trovärdigt att han skulle slå honom så fort han såg honom, icke trovärdigt, ja det var uppenbart att det inte var pga homofobi och att det bara var vilseledande, men svartsjuka? Eh miss me with that shit.
Håper at Sana innrømmer at det var henne og forklarer hvorfor hun gjorde det på en offentlig måte, f.eks. gruppechat. Det å snakke dritt er en ting, det å gå bak ryggen og planlegge å kaste ut den ene personen som hjalp deg skaffe buss og var villig til å se bort fra det som har skjedd før er en annen ting, det er alvor. Olafiaklinikken skal ihverfall støtte henne og melde seg ut av bussen, muligens også noen Pepsimax jenter som synes der er utafor.
tycker det var dumt sagt av isak. Och att sana inte sa nått tillbaka var väldigt out of character. De kunde gjort något med Jamillas karaktär istället för isak
Synes ikke det var så veldig out of character. Tror Sana har mistet en stor del av selvsikkerheten sin denne sesongen med alle de greiene som har skjedd
Jeg fatter ikke at det er muuulig og i løpet av 13 korte min å ta opp så mye viktig og tankevekkende og få endel forutinntatthet/ fordommer slengt i trynet og ja…to ungdommer sitter bare og prater lissom!! Jeg tenker og at Isak nok lærte litt i ses 1 da han «føkka» med Eva og Jonas og ting kom ut av kontroll. Kjære Julie, jeg tror jeg må be deg om å lage en selvhjelpsguide for oss som kommer til å få skikkelig abstinenser og kjærlighetssorg når SKAM er ferdig! You’re f….brilliant!?
Jeg elsker det her! Forsoningsscener slår aldri feil ?
Var det hele grunden for slåskampen? Okay, underligt at trække det sådan ud. Må vi snart høre fra EVEN? Hans fortid bruges bare som en plot point, han får aldrig lov at snakke selv, og det gør ondt på os der ser os selv i Even.
Men Even er jo heller ikke del av Sanas univers, på samme måte som Isak. Da blir det naturlig at vi får innsyn i Evens liv gjennom de Sana snakker med (Yousef, Isak etc)
Alt er love. Isak sana <3
Fikk gåsehud da Isak sa: Selvfølgelig har du det. (Da hun sa hun ikke visste om hun hadde bestevenn) Isak er det beste som har skjedd skam.
Herregud for et nydelig klipp! Og så fantastisk Isak er. Som tar skylden for Sana, og den samtalen deres er gull. Ble helt øm om hjertet nå, dette var så herlig. Sanas syn på nordmenn, trist å høre men enda tristere at ting som hun beskriver faktisk skjer, og Isak som sier hvordan det er. Sterkt. Og ja, jammen fikk vi (jeg også) en smekk, som trodde eller antydet at Elias og gjengen fløy på Isak pga homofobi, at alt var Isaks egen feil mtp fighten. Isak nevnte det jo og selv, han har selv gjort dumme ting. Og Sana var vel i ferd med å innrømme skyld, før Isak kom.
Vilde fortjener forresten seff ikke den driten hun nå fikk, med den fake instakontoen. Håper Magnus driter i å lage drama av det. Hvem lagde den forresten?
Vet ikke hva som skjer, men har mistet mer og mer interessen for denne sesongen… Jeg var ganske engasjert til Noora og Yousef kyssa, og pausen kom. Det har blitt for kjedelig, det samme skjedde under sesong 3. Der hoppet jeg helt av halveis i serien. Sesong 2 var jeg helt hekta, derfor er det så trist at Noorhelm ser ut til å ende så tragisk. Har mistet helt troen på en positiv overraskelse der. Isak og Even får masse fokus denne sesongen også. Savner Noorhelm, PT gjengen, Eskild og faktisk Linn også. Mer humor og fest som vi hadde de 2 første sesongene, 3 og 4 blir for «mørkt»
Äntligen! Isabel och Sanasol ❤
Julie I want to know if you’re trying to make the audience realize how awful and ignorant Isak sounds or if you really believe in the nonsense that was his speech? Really amazed at how awful this scene was. Go ahead and invalidate all the racism Sana has faced by saying it’s bullshit and Norwegians are peaceful people. HAHA. Yeah those texts that Sana got at Urra were really peaceful.
Omg agree!!!!
I agree with you Sally and also with others above that have pointed out the ways in which Isak comes off as very ignorant in this clip. Above someone wrote that this conversation should’ve been flipped so that Isak listened to Sana explaining what racism is, learning from her how it affects her and what bullying she has been subjected to from Pepsi Max (and also at Urra, if she’d been ready to bring that up to him). I agree that this would have worked much better, if the goal of the clip is to be the first important step of Sana opening up and pulling other people towards her.
Instead we got this: Sana trying to explain how her everyday life in Norway is, and Isak brushing it off, telling her that she is looking for the hate and that’s why she’s finding it. The way the scene is executed, makes Isak come off as the wise man who gives Sana valuable advise on how to live her life, while he at the same time diminishes her experiences of racism and bullying. This made me very worried and it also feels insincere and false to me, since I feel that there’s much much more to what Sana says in this scene, than to what Isak says.
My own questions back to Isak are: What happens when the dumb questions of other people are so insulting, so tiresome, that Sana feels worthless and like she doesn’t belong in Norway/Oslo/on the Russebus/with her friends? What happens when those questions just keep coming and coming? What is she supposed to do with those feelings? Or when it’s not questions at all, like the actual things Sana brought up -> people spitting after her and Elias (how terrible and violent isn’t that?), her being thrown of the bus etc. Isak doesn’t even ask her further what happened, when she says that Sara wanted her of the bus. Generally, he has treated all the «girl drama» like it’s beneath him the whole season. It’s not just that he doesn’t want to get involved in the dirty talk and the details (very understandable of course), but he also seem to regard the girls as silly, shallow and like their conflicts doesn’t matter. Like it doesn’t matter that Pepsi Max wanted to get rid of Sana or why. Like it’s not even worth it to try to understand what kind of situation Sana was in there, and what Pepsi Max did to her.
I ache for Sana, and I don’t feel that these two characters actually had a believable meeting or connection in this clip. Sana doesn’t get the chance to explain to Isak in any depth at all what people do to her (strangers and friends), what has happened in her past, how vulnerable she feels. But still, despite her saying so little, Isak «knows better» than her what kind of world she is walking through everyday and how she should deal with it to make it better. Sana’s character has so much history of experiencing bullying and racism. Throughout the season, the creators of the show have shown us the depth of this experience through many, many scenes, because we’ve seen all different kinds of characters with all different kinds of relationships with Sana participating in making her feel alien, under press and like she has to prove herself, or inflict outright violence onto her (I f.e. consider the bullying from Pepsimax to be a violence). So I want to critize the script here for not following up on that depth, but instead dealing with racism and bullying in a much, much more shallow way in this scene. My criticism here goes against the script, not the actors, I also want to point that out.
Also note, my critisism is NOT that Isak and Sana could never have a connecting moment in a situation like this, or that isak could never understand what Sana feels, or that Isak shouldn’t feel hurt or angry that Sana posted clips of his chat log without consent.
My critisism is that Isak is portrayed by the show as carrier of wisdom, when he in fact does a quite shitty thing:
– not letting his friend explain in depth the bullying and racism she’s been through
– not asking her about her experience when she tries to talk to him about it
– instead saying to her that most of these things are happening in her head, and even when it’s not, she has to focus on being strong, educating people that she’s a person and deserves respect, and absolutely not call Norwegians racist because most of them aren’t.
This scene makes me wonder if the creators of this show is afraid to go into real dark grounds with there characters, and follow through with the complex themes they are dealing with in this season? If we should take Sana’s experience’s seriously (and hell yes we shall!), then this has to go much deeper and there’s no room for brushing off actual racism and bullying as «Sana looking for hate and therefor finding it».
I do believe Sana is very scarred of the mikroagressions, the overt and subtle racism, and the hate that she has felt towards her. i do believe she’s shutting people out, sometimes treating them bad or violent herself. I think she’s complex, and sometimes «bossy», «bitchy», «hard» etc etc etc and it’s ok to show those sides of her, where they come from, how they clash with other people and how she can hurt others because she is hurt herself. I think Skam has been really good at showing why she has to open up and pull people closer, not push them away, while at the same time showing why she has a hard time doing this. But it’s unfair of Skam to diminish all the pain and the violence she’s experienced, by saying to her (through the mouth of Isak) that she should stop calling racism for what it is.
Also, I wonder if the Skam-crew feel unable to make the white characters deal with racism in a more constructive way on the show? We are at a point in the story that has so much potential, but now the creators seems to let the white characters of the hook.
My wish for this clip, is that it would’ve been either:
1. Connecting, bonding moment between Isak and Sana, but with flipped dynamic so that Isak listen to Sana and learn from her, instead of the other way around.
or
2. Isak saying everything he says about Norwegians not being racist etc etc, but him not coming off as the hero because of it, but instead showing how destructive it is when white people try to tell people of colour that racism is not as bad as they believe it is.
I hope the story takes another turn from here. I hope this is not a sign of how the interactions between Sana and her friends will develop from this point.
YES. Totally agree. Hope the audience as a whole takes note.
Maybe something got lost in translation here, or maybe I just disagree, but let me try to fill in. At first Isak seems to belive Sara kick Sana off the russebuss because she’s bichy, even if Sana said that Sara is a racist bitch, and then Sana explains all the shit she gets during any normal day. He can to some point understand the experience of discrimination, as he’s heard lots of homophobic stuff.
Sana experience racism and discrimination every day, especially because of her using hijab and people on the streets spitting behind Elias because they belive he suppresses her. Isak never denied that it happens. He’s speachless when she tells all the bs and hate she gets. But he’s not the racist here. He’s not responsible for white trash people’s hate, kind of like Sana or muslims in general are not responsible for Islamic terror. Isak doesn’t stop her or protests, but when she said «most Norwegians are racists» he disagree. And I think he’s right. Most Norwegians ain’t racists. We know that from statistics. I don’t even belive most people in general are racists, but I might be wrong. And this is when Isak starts. Myself I want to learn more about muslims in Norway, about hijab, all the praying, ramadan and more and I truly believe muslims needs to educate us (I’m too old for school). 15 years ago baptists had to educate curious people bout their beliefs, because most people was humanists or lutheran. LGTB educated us with Pride, abstainers gets questions in every party of why they don’t drink alcohol (beliefs? former addict?). I don’t even know if I can handshake a Muslim woman wearing a hijab. Not because I’m racist, but because I don’t understand all the different directions within Islam and in some cultures I’m not supposed to handshake.
So if you’re Muslim or of another entice and someone ask you a silly question that you’ve heard 1000 times before, please try to explain and don’t jump to conclusions. It might just be me wanting to learn more about my fellow Norwegians. And if it’s someone else asking, please don’t just brush him off. He might come to belive you’re ignorant with bad behaviour even if that wasn’t when he approached you. Love is everything
why do i have an obligation to educate ignorant people who throw racist remarks at me or behave as if i’m something «scary» or «oppressed»? this is not on me, this is on the guys who’re racist. educate yourself.
You’re saying Muslims have to educate you because you’re too old for school. You have access to the internet, libraries, etc. After all, you did say you wanted to learn.
You put it more eloquently than I could ever have. <3 I was really disappointed that instead of getting a scene where Sana was finally opening up and someone actually listened to her, we got "BUT NOT ALL NORWEGIANS…!!!" and essentially victim-blaming Sana. I really really hope that the Skam team was not putting this forth as a good idea of how one can act when someone who experiences discrimination tells you about their experiences, and I hope that the show addresses this in the final 3 (!) episodes.
so true
He’s not invalidating what has happened to Sana in the past. What he IS doing is countering Sana’s idea that everyone hates her and other muslims. If you think everyone hates you, you are making yourself a victim and close yourself off from the world. Some people are idiots, but most people aren’t. The text messages Sara got from the people at her former school were a few moronic individuals, not *everyone* at school or every Norwegian. Isak did no place indicate that racism or any other -ism doesn’t exist in Norway or elsewhere. Everyone all over the world are biased. What he did say was that most people have good intentions and that if you focus primarily on what you *think* someone else is, or think the opinions of one or a couple people equal the opinions of everyone else, you will get lost in a downward spiral. If you listen to something with one idea in your head, one belief that you know what the other person is thinking and feeling, you will confirm your fears. If you look you shall find, even if that something wasn’t really there in the first place. If you decide to understand what I say one way when my words and intent would say otherwise, you are not open to input. To paraphrase Isak, if you don’t let the other person answer, you will make up your own answer which may be completely off the mark.
To say «Norwegians are peaceful» doesn’t mean there doesn’t exist any idiots who wish to create havoc. If you think otherwise, then I presume you also find it OK to say all muslims are terrorists as some of them are? It’s the same thing. If you can’t say that, then you surely understand it’s not OK to say that all white people are racist either.
But it’s not fucking racism! Muslim people, Christian people, whatever religion, it’s not a race! Religion is not a race. Yes, it is possible to be discriminated because of your religion, but it is not, nor ever will, be racism.
– Vilde’s reputation is cleared
– Sana’s big exam is over
– Now they know Pepsimax-girls are idiots, so they need some lovely bonding time
– Sana needs to open up about her outsider feelings to the girls
– Noora and Sana need to talk about Yousef, NOW!!!
– Back to the basics: the old girld group partying together again
PLEASE GIVE US A PARTY CLIP LATER TODAY!!!!! <3
Party-clip tomorrow? People actually have parties on saturdays as well!
Grovt regnet så ligger vel klippa på ca 35 minutt. Så tviler på vi blir med på bursdagsfest i kveld ?
Ska fortsätta hoppas, har fått avsnitt på 49 min förr.
Tack JA för ett så fint klipp! <3 Så behövligt, både för Sana och för oss tror jag.
Jeg er SÅ glad for at Sana endelig fikk snakket ut og ordnet opp med Isak<3
Men..hun har fremdeles mange flere hun må ordne opp med…
Vilde for det som har skjedd med henne
Noora for det med Yousef
Yousef ( jeg heier på Yousana!!)
Resten av jentegjengen for å ha løyet til dem
Sara for å ha såret henne
Alle flawless-jentene
Elias for at hun fortsatt er sur på ham og fordi hun misforsto hva som hadde skjedd
1/8 fullført, stå på Sanasol!!
Beste klippet denne sesongen ?
Isak to the rescue!! Hvad skulle vi gøre uden ham?? Tak for dine kloge ord ❤️ Der er stadig håb!
jeg tror jeg er forelska i Isak
Som lærer får jeg mange hatytringer om KRLE-faget. Jeg anser faget som et av de viktigste vi har. Kunnskap er viktig. Om vi forstår hverandre er det lettere å respektere hverandre. Veldig enig med Isak her; vi må få stille spørsmålene våre, så vi får svar, og ikke konstruerer våre egne svar. Heia Isak?
Uff. Nei, nei. Religionsfaget bør vekk fra skolen. En grunnleggende respekt for hverandre bør forventes uansett, og dialog promoteres i for eksempel samfunnsfag. Heller dobbelt opp med samfunnsfag.
Einig, har meint at KRLE (dåverande KRL) er det viktigaste faget heilt sidan eg sjølv gikk på ungddomskulen! Dessverre følte eg faget overprioritert med tørr fakta på barneskulen og underprioritert på drøfting på ungdomsskulen…
Jeg er også lærer, og blir litt fortvilet når jeg leser kommentarene her.
Heldigvis ser det ut som de dummeste kommentarene kommer fra Sverige og USA.
Norge er alldeles ikke perfekt, men denne nye «man-splaining,. white-splaining, micro aggression kulturen må aldri bli mainstream…
Uansett er det noe veldig unorsk med alt det der.
Og det er utrolig viktig med utdanning i religioner….
Man, kan forstå hverandre bedre….
Men, kanskje også bli litt mer ydmyk… Andre tror andre ting. Har de rett?
Slaget litt nå føler jeg står i skolen.
En kollega av meg som underviser i religion sier at det er plage….
3-4 muslimske gutter skriker mot alle andre religioner.
Kanskje verre i religion. Mine engelsk klasser er bra så langt.
Anyhow, la oss prøve å hjelpe til at Norge fortsatt vil være et fint land for alle. 🙂
Åh, jeg er ked af at jeg missede Vilde insta-kontoen! Har nogen taget billeder eller jan fortælle hvad der var på den?
skal han virkelig gjøre hvite folk til ofrene? og lære sana – som har blitt utsatt for stygge kommentarer og grov mobbing mesteparten av livet, om rasisme og hvorfor det oppstår? smh Julie, jeg vet du klarer bedre enn dette
Du burde «SKAMME» deg…(og forresten jeg så litt av håret ditt)??
Förstår inte varför alla hyllar Isak? Han håller ju på med victim-blaming? Muslimer ska inte behöva utbilda alla människor de möter. Google finns.
Enig med deg i at man bør undersøke litt på egenhånd. Samtidig så er det faktisk ikke alle som har noen i sin omgangskrets, da. Og det er grenser for, og tildels tilfeldig, hvor mange og hvilke temaer folk leser seg opp på her i verden. Så da burde man kunne spørre på en høflig måte, og håpe på et høflig svar tilbake som ikke tolker spørsmålet i verste mening..?
Isak har tatt over stafettpinnen fra Jonas, nå er det han som må være den gode vennen på benken ❤️
I liked this clip but I think that Isak still has a lot of learning to do. It felt like a white boy (albeit a gay one) was trying to speak over a Muslim girl who has to face discrimination every day and even though what he said is 100% right it felt like the non-muslim version of mansplaining. I have faith in Julie, so I really hope this is gonna lead to some sort of Sana 2.0 thing where Isak realizes that he’s said some stupid shit (or, at least, he has worded it very badly) and sorta apologizes just like Sana did last season after he’s speech on homosexuality. I know the whole point of skam is to hear problematic shit from a character’s mouth, realize you’re saying the same problematic shit irl and correct your behavior, but this time it felt really weird, as if Sana was accepting Isak’s «woke» lecture as if it was 100% correct while it clearly isn’t. Let’s hope for the best.
…. for en fyr❤️